Comments on: Thirty Meter Telescope update and background /news/2015/03/31/thirty-meter-telescope-update-and-background/ News from the University of Hawaii Thu, 23 Sep 2021 22:29:24 +0000 hourly 1 By: David Nurse /news/2015/03/31/thirty-meter-telescope-update-and-background/#comment-630554 Fri, 24 Feb 2017 00:16:17 +0000 http://www.hawaii.edu/news/?p=33174#comment-630554 How can I get a location map of the physical location of where the TMT site is in relation to all the others observitory’s?

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By: Protect Mauna Kea; | The Chic Indulgence Blog /news/2015/03/31/thirty-meter-telescope-update-and-background/#comment-532277 Fri, 11 Dec 2015 05:50:48 +0000 http://www.hawaii.edu/news/?p=33174#comment-532277 […] There are currently thirteen telescopes on Mauna Kea. The basis for the new telescope is that it will be far more advanced than the ones already in existence – “It will be able to see much fainter and more distant objects than is possible with existing telescopes and to study them in greater detail. It will help to maintain Hawaiʻi’s worldwide leadership in astronomy” (www.hawaii.edu). […]

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By: Jacob Lageveen /news/2015/03/31/thirty-meter-telescope-update-and-background/#comment-484341 Sun, 27 Sep 2015 01:25:44 +0000 http://www.hawaii.edu/news/?p=33174#comment-484341 Build more of these telescopes! There is so much to learn about the universe. What do we know?

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By: A’ole TMT, A’ole | 808 Opinions /news/2015/03/31/thirty-meter-telescope-update-and-background/#comment-375105 Mon, 10 Aug 2015 22:31:43 +0000 http://www.hawaii.edu/news/?p=33174#comment-375105 […] University of Hawaii “supports the TMT project because it contributes significantly to the university’s mission of advancing knowledge.” Under the universities logo states, “ua mau ke ea o ka aina i ka pono” meaning, “the life […]

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By: Maile Wedemeyer /news/2015/03/31/thirty-meter-telescope-update-and-background/#comment-348408 Mon, 13 Jul 2015 04:13:17 +0000 http://www.hawaii.edu/news/?p=33174#comment-348408 In reply to Bronson Kaahui.

More concrete on the top of the world… more concrete on top of Hawai’i, Earth ‘s RAREST natural water aquafier… a place that has been forbidden from construction since the first arrival of mankind to Hawai’i… a place since the first 7 original voyages to Hawai’i, in which has ALWAYS BEEN FORBIDDEN TO CONSTRUCTION OR HUMAN ALTERATION… the TOP OF EARTH in the law of nature and mankind’s balance centered within it… is the core of such an Indigenous “religon” to a specific location in which many cannot believe that this is not JUST a religon but an OBLIGATION… an OBLIGATION that has been past down for generations since the mankind’s first set foot… it’s not hard to understand that the top of the mountain is a natural temple as is… just because the top has concrete already, doesn’t make it right to add more.

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By: Maile Wedemeyer /news/2015/03/31/thirty-meter-telescope-update-and-background/#comment-348399 Mon, 13 Jul 2015 03:57:09 +0000 http://www.hawaii.edu/news/?p=33174#comment-348399 In reply to Kealoha Pisciotta.

MAHALO MAHALO MAHALO

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By: More Discord Over Thirty Meter Telescope /news/2015/03/31/thirty-meter-telescope-update-and-background/#comment-325481 Thu, 30 Apr 2015 17:42:12 +0000 http://www.hawaii.edu/news/?p=33174#comment-325481 […] telescope’s supporters have responded with a detailed defense by the University of Hawai‘i and with updates on the main TMT website and on a second site explaining TMT’s benefits to […]

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By: Dispute Continues between Astronomers and Native Hawaiians about Thirty Meter Telescope | Science Political /news/2015/03/31/thirty-meter-telescope-update-and-background/#comment-325187 Wed, 29 Apr 2015 17:41:34 +0000 http://www.hawaii.edu/news/?p=33174#comment-325187 […] as a done deal and fait accompli rather than as the subject of an ongoing dispute. According to the University of Hawaii position, “more than 20 public hearings have been held during the process and the project has […]

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By: Bryston Tanigawa /news/2015/03/31/thirty-meter-telescope-update-and-background/#comment-320668 Mon, 13 Apr 2015 10:34:51 +0000 http://www.hawaii.edu/news/?p=33174#comment-320668 In reply to Kapueo.

why is it so hard to understand why Hawaiians have shown so much support for this protest? when have we as a people EVER, in recent memory, came together to support a cause in unity like this? All of us Hawaiians (and non-Hawaiians) have wrestled with all the issues that you bring up (GMO, military, hotels, etc..) but when have we ever come together with this kind of support?

Go and start a petition against GMOs on the B.I. Braddah I’ll be the first to sign it and I guarantee a lot more people will too. This protest on Mauna kea is just the beginning, it is the awakening of our people. The momentum we gain from this movement will hopefully result in protesting against the other issues you brought up. Also look what happened to Maui, the people voted and won and guess what the county is doing? Nothing.

Building a telescope the size of Aloha stadium is not the only way we can benefit from observing the heavens. Hawaiians built one of the most sustainable cultures in the world by studying celestial objects. Studying the heavens does not have to come at a price to our culture.

The only way the military would leave hawaii is if we get America out of here. And if you’ve been to any of the DOI hearings that were held state wide, you’d know that there was PLENTY of protest against the military here.

Trust that this Mauna kea issue is not the only problem stirring in all of our na’au. There are many issues that we all need to address, now that we’ve all come together in unity for something maybe we can tackle other things.

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By: Melinda Byrd /news/2015/03/31/thirty-meter-telescope-update-and-background/#comment-320607 Mon, 13 Apr 2015 02:50:16 +0000 http://www.hawaii.edu/news/?p=33174#comment-320607 In reply to Juanita Aguerrebere.

They come in, they take, they tell the people of the land what is best for them. It’s the American way. I stand with the Ohana even though I am not a native Hawaiian. Those who stand united to protect what is sacred….I stand with you!

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By: Kaala /news/2015/03/31/thirty-meter-telescope-update-and-background/#comment-320128 Sat, 11 Apr 2015 06:35:26 +0000 http://www.hawaii.edu/news/?p=33174#comment-320128 In reply to Kapueo.

I guess you haven’t noticed, but there ARE activists concerned and working against Pōhakuloa and military occupation on the islands. There ARE activists working against GMOs on the islands. The tired device of “but what about all these other problems” is just an attempt to distract and sway people who don’t have solid opinions on matters. There are people who criticize anti-GMO folks and anti-military folks for not focusing on “more important” issues. Yes, all of the injustices and atrocities you mention are important to take note of and work to correct…mahalo for naming them and all you are doing in your own life to address them. Oh and next time you talk to Kalākaua (since you and TMT supporters seem to have a direct line to him and other monarchs who’ve been deceased for over a century), ask him if an 18-story building on the top of Mauna Kea is what he had in mind rather than, say, a five-inch refractor built a few hundred feet above sea level on O‘ahu. Please report back and let us know what he says.

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By: AJ /news/2015/03/31/thirty-meter-telescope-update-and-background/#comment-320040 Fri, 10 Apr 2015 22:25:55 +0000 http://www.hawaii.edu/news/?p=33174#comment-320040 In reply to Kapueo.

Kapuea – mahalo for your insight. You provide an explanation that is real, not perceived. I too agree that there are so many more problems, and real environmental and cultural impacts, occurring EVERYDAY with no public outcry. This TMT “issue” is important because famous people say it is so. Hawaiians need to recognize that this TMT “issue” is but a distraction from the real problems facing our State. While the protesters are all up on the mountain, there is a new home being built to close to the shoreline blocking fishing access, a new mall is being constructed covering needed Agricultural Lands, and Hawaii’s future (keiki) are getting a substandard education. Way to go.

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By: Mauna Kea Protestors were arrested for protecting what they consider their Holy Grounds /news/2015/03/31/thirty-meter-telescope-update-and-background/#comment-319952 Fri, 10 Apr 2015 19:25:19 +0000 http://www.hawaii.edu/news/?p=33174#comment-319952 […] to the arrests, prominent Hawaiian leaders had been meeting with newly elected Governor David Ige, University of Hawaii officials, the police department, and the county prosecuting officer in order to try to find a […]

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By: What Are You Giving Back? | HawaiiFarmersDaughter /news/2015/03/31/thirty-meter-telescope-update-and-background/#comment-319917 Fri, 10 Apr 2015 17:12:39 +0000 http://www.hawaii.edu/news/?p=33174#comment-319917 […] like the biotech issue, it seems that people are so willing to block everything and use a lot of false information to base their assertions upon.  Yes, we need to malama the Aina and that means everywhere.  Who is cleaning up the […]

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By: KC /news/2015/03/31/thirty-meter-telescope-update-and-background/#comment-319747 Fri, 10 Apr 2015 07:29:47 +0000 http://www.hawaii.edu/news/?p=33174#comment-319747 In reply to Kapueo.

Thank you Kapueo – I couldn’t have said it better myself. Imua TMT and the science and astronomy community and their families. I support you.

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By: Protect Mauna Kea; | Chic Indulgence /news/2015/03/31/thirty-meter-telescope-update-and-background/#comment-319583 Thu, 09 Apr 2015 18:50:06 +0000 http://www.hawaii.edu/news/?p=33174#comment-319583 […] There are currently thirteen telescopes on Mauna Kea. The basis for the new telescope is that it will be far more advanced than the ones already in existence – “It will be able to see much fainter and more distant objects than is possible with existing telescopes and to study them in greater detail. It will help to maintain Hawaiʻi’s worldwide leadership in astronomy” (www.hawaii.edu). […]

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By: Kapueo /news/2015/03/31/thirty-meter-telescope-update-and-background/#comment-319354 Thu, 09 Apr 2015 00:52:28 +0000 http://www.hawaii.edu/news/?p=33174#comment-319354 It is a shame that during Merrie Monarch week we celebrate King Kalakaua’s revival of the hula and culture, but fail to mention that our last reigning King embraced the future and embraced astronomy! It seems conveniently forgotten that our King Kalakaua commissioned the first telescope here in Hawai’i and we seem to find his words irrelevant: “It will afford me unfeigned satisfaction if my kingdom can add its quota toward the successful accomplishment of the most important astronomical observation of the present century and assist, however humbly, the enlightened nations of the earth in these costly enterprises…”

I also find it unsettling that so many people and kanaka maoli have boarded the bandwagon of protest, when there are a plethora of in my opinion major current issues that few have bothered to acknowledge or protest. i.e.: Pohakuloa!!! DU in the air, in the ground water, the millions it will cost to clean that up (and it won’t get cleaned at all or it will cost too much to do it sufficiently-look at Kaho’olawe) and daily people are driving through between Hilo and Kona with DU in the air. Where are the protestors? Too many ‘ohana are part of the military to say anything? Or how about the big resorts that keep popping up? How’s that impact on Hawaiian practices? But nice yeah fo’ stay hotel wit da kama’aina rate fo’ weekend vacation? Or how about the mall and Walmart and Home Depot etc. on Hawaiian homelands with how many kanaka maoli passing away on waiting lists? But what kanakas would give up all the cheap China crap, flat screen tv’s, entertainment systems and malls for what is pono, aloha ‘aina and actually stand out there and protest? Too much personal sacrifice to be pono in that situation. How many guys up there protesting would give up their big trucks for a small “egoless” nondescript environmentally conscious car or bike? I hope both those protesting and not protesting will actually reflect within themselves and take a look at how they are truly living. We all need to do that! When I see signs of “aloha ‘aina”, “for da keiki” in regards to the TMT I am stunned. How about “aloha ‘aina”, “for da keiki” in regards to GMO’s, the military takeover and their blatant abuse of land, giving up the American lifestyle of fast food, big trucks, large TV screens and convenience? Anyone willing to boycott buying GMO laden products to get chemical corporations off our lands? That would actually get the ball moving but “too hard! I like eat all my addictions! But I will protest on Mauna Kea because I don’t have to change my lifestyle down here in Hilo!”

To me as a kanaka maoli connected to the ‘aina, taking note of my own personal footprint, I do support the TMT. Of course there will be impact. There will be impact with everything we do in life and especially in this modern age, but what kind of impact/legacy do you want to leave? Creating more service jobs in hotels and chain stores like Walmart for the keiki? Auwe, that’s more pollution in our landfills and ocean, and taking away opportunities from our children. I support educating the keiki on their rich navigational heritage and giving them the advanced skills that will take them out of low paying service jobs. And I definitely support educating keiki on malama ‘aina and instilling them love and respect for where they come from and where they are living. But I also support the necessity of the human spirit to reach for more, to look into the sky and show us the magnificence of Akua’s universe. To look for answers to some of our very human questions regardless of ethnicity. I believe our navigators of old would be amazed at what we have seen through these telescopes in this day, and what we are going to be able to see through this next phase of telescopes. And I’m sure many of them would think of the telescopes as sacred instruments with a closer connection to Akua. And in keeping with the bold, exploratory Hawaiian spirit, I wouldn’t be surprised to find a kanaka maoli finding a way to navigate the galaxies.

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By: Juanita Aguerrebere /news/2015/03/31/thirty-meter-telescope-update-and-background/#comment-318833 Mon, 06 Apr 2015 23:32:30 +0000 http://www.hawaii.edu/news/?p=33174#comment-318833 In reply to Bronson Kaahui.

Because you do not feel and are numb is exactly what makes you foreign to Hawaiian Culture. Hawaiians and many native cultures have a deep connection and spiritual connection to the land. It is tangible and palpable to those that feel. However they would never make you FEEL,because that it against their culture. Just because you do not FEEL does make it right or fair to push your lack of feeling. This is why many native Hawaiian keep their cultural practices secret and sacred so that they do not have to defend what you can not feel. Please just have aloha and respect for the culture. A proud alumni of Vlogٷ MANOA.

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By: Innovative Internet & Media Soulutions LLC /news/2015/03/31/thirty-meter-telescope-update-and-background/#comment-318832 Mon, 06 Apr 2015 23:27:12 +0000 http://www.hawaii.edu/news/?p=33174#comment-318832 Please be a steward to the land and Protect Maunakea. As a former archaeologist and anthropologist with a degree from the University of Hawaii at Manoa, believe this is project to be against the laws that protect our cultural/native places and resources in Hawaii.

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By: We live in the future. Come join us. | KE KAUPU HEHI ALE /news/2015/03/31/thirty-meter-telescope-update-and-background/#comment-318786 Mon, 06 Apr 2015 17:43:09 +0000 http://www.hawaii.edu/news/?p=33174#comment-318786 […] of Hawaiʻi and its international partners justify building on Mauna a Wākea by pointing to permits and documents that they have secured rather than any real sense of kuleana. That progress means farms exploit […]

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